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gunnarlangemark



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Location: Denmark

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:08 pm    Post subject: Verithin 4575 my very own  Reply with quote

I swapped one of my hand turned pens (solid bronze and bog oak) for two guitars yesterday.
One of them was a H÷fner Verithin 4575 with the H÷fner bigsby "copy" and all the fancy electronics.
It's not in good shape - but I plan to restore it.

I have a few photographs here. As you can see, it has a wooden bridge, which may be a little unusual.

I don't see any serial number or anything.
There's a ferrule missing on one of the tuners.
It has a lot of tar residue (tobacco stain).
The lacquer is cracked (and maybe the wood lifted a little).
The frets are ok.
There's rust on all the nickel.
I don't think the electronics are working for real, but I have just loosened the remaining strings a little (little by little) now and not much else.































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verithingeoff



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Location: The Sunshine Coast, Australia

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'day Gunnar, welcome to the Verithin forum

We are very quiet here, about 3 posts a year, but certainly a dedicated bunch of Verithin owners.

The guitar looks better than the way you described it in your first email to me. A good basis for a reasonable restoration. The bridge is certainly wrong. You need something like this:



From this website: http://www.projectguitarparts.co.uk/Pages/hofnerparts.html
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:02 am    Post subject: Better condition Reply with quote

Yes. as I look closer - past the tobacco/tar residue, the gunk and the rusty screws, I can see that it is not that bad at all. And it is almost complete and it is original.
I saw another picture of this type of guitar - which has another bridge (like the one you show a picture of). So maybe that is not the riginal bridge.
There's not much wear on it - and even most frets are ok. But the neck probably needs a reset - though not much.
I will let this "set" in the back of my head and not rush anything.
Maybe even the chrome can be rescued without me anodizing anything. It doesn't need to be "as new" - I think I'd rather keep it as original as possible.
I will take it apart and do a gentle rinse and clean - and take a look at the electronics. Some of it works. And there's sound in at least one of the pups.
If I need a rewind ... I will probably have them done.
Unless the spool of wire, that I inherited from my dad - is the right one. It just may be. Let's see if I can find it. Smile
Then I'll put one on my small lathe - and wind one. (find a counting device to fit).
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gunnarlangemark



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:17 am    Post subject: I found this photo Reply with quote

I found this - which is almost exactly like mine. Except for the bridge.
Smile

http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/gallery/archtops2/arch9.html
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:44 am    Post subject: However .. Reply with quote

this one does seem to have a bridge like the one on mine.


http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/gallery/gallery2/gal36.html


Wonder if H÷fner actually shipped a few with that bridge?
I have read some place else, that they did "mix parts" and did not adhere very consequently to a specific st of parts in the fifties and sixties.

Also - telling the age, I guess the guitars parts are telling me that it is from 65-67.
The pickups are staple pickups. The tuners are "early" ...

I think this may actually be a very original guitar. Also the clear fact, that it has been sitting for decades without being played or looked after, points to this.
If one looks at the frets - there are grooves in the 0 fret a little wear on the top frets and nothing on the rest (bad guitar setup?). It looks like it has been hanging on a garage wall and collecting dust and a little  moisture for decades.

I will "excersize" the potmeters to see if it helps. Just "tune" the four remaining strings so they'll make a noise. And then research what works and what not.

(sorry to spam you with all this - but I'm getting excited, and no one else seem to care here around me. It's just Gunnar in his garage - being a geek again. Very Happy ).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject: collecting evidence Reply with quote

I'm looking to see if the bridge IS wrong.

Here's a 65-3 with it

http://www.verithingeoff.com/Pictures/65%20Keith.htm

What's the difference between 4575 and 65-3?
I just asumed I had a 4575 but ...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guitar you link to hasn't got a tremolo fitted. If you are going to move the strings with the trem you need a device which has no friction at the bridge.

The 65-3 was a version of the 4575 that was badged [labeled ] for the Selmer company. Think Verithin/4574


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